“Areeb is [a] very good developer.”
That was from an email Alex sent me (he still doesn’t pay for these comments…I think I’m missing out on some $$ here). Just for the record, after watching Areeb’s videos (he gives really really good training on spinning, btw, on his SEnuke blog – props, Areeb) – his program is a “good” one. I just disagree with his approach (encouraging scraping). That said…
One of my readers that you might know from her blog, Passive Aggressive Marketing Tactics…oh. Hold on…that’s not right. OH! Passive Income Online Blog, Michelle, asked:
I’d like to hear more about your take on SE Nuke and why you nearly lost your lunch! :) I’m serious thinking about giving SE Nuke a spin in the next month or so, although you are gradually interesting me in Magic Submitter instead. Still, would like to see a good comparison of the two programs. It seems like so many more people use SE Nuke and speak highly of it.
I want to be upfront with you: what I’ve learned about SE Nuke is from writing and researching, what I know about Magic Submitter is from first-hand experience. Let me also be clear that I think both “work,” and what the former has in advantage is they have a few more months out on the market.
That would explain the popularity difference between the two. What I found in my research-review-writing has been that SEN has blatantly coded in the software flat-out scraping of content. As a writer, this makes e not only lose my lunch, but I’d like to see the programmer lose his ability to peddle the program for copyright infringement.
Now it might be that sounds like I’ve got a chip on my shoulder – actually, I do! I write for a living. I don’t scrape content. I generate it. From that perspective, SEN is a no-go.
Ethics aside, however (did I just say that?), the ability to add your own websites as targets to Magic Submitter has yet to be duplicated. It might be that the next version of SEN or EVOBrute Force SEO or this or that may be nipping at Alexander Krulik’s heels – but I’ve put my confidence in Alex as a programmer, and as an upstanding example of fine entrepreneurship (he does not as yet pay me to say this – Alexander, can we talk about that?).
All kidding aside for a minute, customer service at Magic Submitter is second only to my wife’s amazing skills at taking care of me and the kids. That’s saying a lot, I love my wife above even Magic Submitter (now THAT is saying a lot, too).
Why Magic Submitter Beats The CAPTCHA Out Of SE Spook
(( What do you mean, “Grow up?” SE Nuke should be re-named, that’s all I’m suggesting with my synonyms… ))
The reasons I think Magic Submitter is the top dog in the kennel.
- Not to beat a dead horse, but SEN is a Plagiarism Tool – Copyright Infringement, Anyone?
- SEN Uses Their Own Targets, Magic Submitter Allows User Defined Targets
- Magic Submitter Is User Friendly
- Magic Submitter Puts YOU In Control (Proxies, Keywords, Targets)
- Magic Submitter Saves $60 a Month, or $720 a Year – ‘Nuff Said (Until The Price Goes Up)
Lemme break it down a little something like this…
Not to beat a dead horse, but SEN is a Plagiarism Tool – Copyright Infringement, Anyone?
It’s too late not to beat Mr. Ed here, I have to re-iterate: from the sales page, the videos, and the coding, this tool was created to push plagiarism as a good business practice. It scrapes content from EzineArticles, allows you to spin that content, and does the same for videos.
(( I take issue with that, Areeb. But maybe it’s just me… ))
Now can you do that same thing with Magic Submitter? Sure you can, and I’m sure many do, and like I said in my Welcome page (or was it the About page? Why do I have both?), I’m probably going to be an honest, and poor internet marketer, but I can’t help it. Those laws like copyright infringement, etc., kinda get stuck in my craw (if by “craw” I mean “conscience”).
The difference between Areeb and Alexander Krulik insofar as this point goes, is that you won’t find a blatant recommendation on the sales or training videos from Magic Submitter that encourage you to plagiarize. For me, Alex’s character shows through on this point, as well as his programming savvy.
From what I have heard, he even walks on water.
SEN Uses Their Own Targets, Magic Submitter Allows User Defined Targets
SEN comes as a done-for-you tool, with fixed targets and scripts. The only contribution you make is to select your keywords (I do happen to like the built-in tool for that, that’s a nice touch in SEN, BUT I now do independent research except in article marketing, when I use Micro Niche Finder…actually I found a new tool that I’m loving, more on that later), you spin the article that the software scrapes (steals!) for you to use, and you change tags, descriptions, etc. of the videos you scrape (steal!).
This can’t be stressed enough – you will not (at this time) find Areeb (the programmer of SE Nuke, btw) asking you what your websites are, so you can add content to several of your properties. You can do this with Magic Submitter – and if you have sites that are not even included yet (software or PAD sites, for example), then you just add them in yourself.
Magic Submitter Is User Friendly
I am depending on the skill of Alexander Krulik for this, but his Magic Article Rewriter and Magic Article Submitter are incredibly easy, stable, and effective. Magic Submitter has been so far, and moreover, I have read (as I’m sure you can easily do with a search) many reports that SE Nuke is not user-friendly.
Says who? Areeb, the designer. Um…yeah – he says that, “SE Nuke is not for beginners.” Now, you might not be a beginner, but I am. It has to be simple to use, I don’t mess with CSS if I can get away from it, I can’t mess too much with HTML unless it’s only manipulating basic things…and from what I’ve read from the programmer in chief at SEN, that tool is not meant for beginners.
Translation: Magic Submitter wins on this point, even to add sites it’s often just a visit to the forum and a few clicks to add sites. Using the GUI (Graphic User Interface) to add sites is really, really easy. The submission aspects of the tool are very simple, too.
I don’t think I mentioned, but in the recent upgrade, Magic Submitter was given a “preview” function for all the spun content. Now you can preview your submissions, just like using ArticleRanks or Unique Article Wizard: hit preview to make sure it’s all in place before you mis-fire.
I have no doubt that SE Nuke will improve over time, mind you – I’ll give Areeb his due in that his software works, but when it comes to having a business that operates on the customer-oriented side of things, sorry, Alex’s Submitter has them beat.
Magic Submitter Puts YOU In Control (Proxies, Keywords, Targets)
With SEN as it stands, you are NOT in control. You need to wait for Areeb’s team to fix a broken link, add a command to the script when submitting to this or that site, add this target, take out that target.
With Magic Submitter, you can contact support or why wait? Fix what needs to be fixed (like I’ve done – usually just a trip to the forum will do it, or the Wikispace). It is not hard, and it speeds production in some cases (I’ ve not had a problem getting service from the MS team).
You can use their proxy service, which is a nice feature, but if you just use Michelle’s free proxy tool, you can import any proxy into Magic Submitter and have the software even rotate these during submission.
Want new proxies? Using a paid proxy service? Import what you need. Again: Magic Submitter puts YOU in control, not the programmers.
You control what commands the software is using to register or submit to a site. (For the record, these site admins are pretty smart: they change their login process, submission process, etc. so you will have targets that are here now, and later on you need to add something or take something out.) No need to wait for the next upgrade.
SEN has a keyword module, much like Micro Niche Finder from the sound of it. That’s a nice touch – but I don’t rely on one tool for that. I select keywords based on 4 different…hmmm…is it 5?…tools. Only paid for none of them so far (MNF was a gift with the USB jump drive and all, the others are tools I’ll cover in another review).
The advantage is that you are not relying on just one resource for keywords. I only do that with MNF when writing articles, I don’t think having one tool to do research with is a good idea for keywords (thanks, Yolanda, and Leo Demilo). This means that you are in control – you aren’t going for the same keywords that other Nukers are using!
This is an oversight in SEN, btw, if you think about it. Why use their KW tool when others will, too? Just food for thought, but it’s one reason I don’t rely on just one tool any more.
Magic Submitter also puts you in control with the targets – you can add your own link wheel properties in there to receive a blast, or you can use it to grow a freebie network using monetized sites (write posts with your affiliate links, use sites with AdSense sharing, that sort of thing).
Conversely, with SE Nuke, you are hitting the exact same targets everyone else is. You are limited to these targets, too, so yes, you may have 156 forum profiles to hit up. But how many Nukers use the same ones? Do you think the site admins are catching on by now?
Magic Submitter gives you the steering wheel. I’d rather drive.
Magic Submitter Saves $60 a Month, or $720 a Year – ‘Nuff Said (Until The Price Goes Up)
So, what can you do with an extra $720 in your marketing budget?
Let’s see…
- Hire me for great content…OR Human Rewriter – They are MUCH cheaper.
- Pay a small army of VA’s to grow your empire…
- Buy another PC…
- Get all the B\L/A\C/K hat tools you’ll ever want, and then some…
- Um…did I mention you could hire me or Human Rewriter for content or articles?
Seriously, by saving $60 a month (if you buy before the price increases and this is a moot point), you can pay to have someone else write/backlink/etc. for you. You could have a Unique Article Wizard subscription (almost), or ArticleRanks (and still have money left over).
Or you could invest that money into a good, growth-stock mutual fund, one with over 10 years of experience and a positive track record, and by the time you retire, you’d be a millionaire ( and you think I’m kidding ).
Michelle, I hope I’ve answered your question re:
Why Magic Submitter Beats The CAPTCHA Out Of SE Nuke – and Areeb, if you’re reading this: I’ve just given you a business plan, man…best of luck to you, Areeb, and I actually do wish you and your business the best (second place to Magic Submitter ain’t bad).
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Your b/a/c/k/h/a/t link doesn't actually go anywhere.
To be honest though, I think SeNuke is insanely overpriced no matter what it does. You could get several services for that price a month or get one of the high end networks like blacklink solutions or linkvana.
I just realized I'm your top commentor. Maybe I should get back to work…..>_>
Ok James, LOL, you've sold me! Thanks for the excellent comparison. I must admit I had no idea that SENuke scraped content in that way. So when I'm finished playing with my new toy, I'm going to give your new toy a spin (and when I do, I know who's affiliate link I'm going to use!). Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions.
Thank you, Michelle, for posing the question. I've just had enough of
reading about SEN, in my research – I couldn't believe the blatant way it
was designed to scrape, but I know I'm in the minority report on that.
Thanks, Josh – I fixed it, and I'm not sure why that happened. My blog was
compromised just recently – took about 5 hours of my day to fix it and
another site that was hacked – I had to replace tons of affiliate links
that were disabled on both.
So how exactly does SeNuke plagiarize?
I was really interested in this program when I first started and I remember it spinning content for you with contentboss(another subscription!).
I'm not attacking you, I have just never heard about it before. I also imagine the program has changed a lot in the last 6 months.
It's in the very design. It pulls videos or articles from content-based
sites like Ezine and YouTube, and the programmer has videos telling
customers to actually spin the tags, descriptions, content, titles.
Most marketers just hit the benefits, *Obliterate the first 3 pages of
Google!
*(don't call it plagiarism, call it Google domination)
Google domination sells, whereas “plagiarizing content” actually brings up a
red flag. See the video #2 at [http://www.senuke.com/membership/], circa
7:45, Video #3 circa 0:48, and if you're tired, don't watch the videos – you
need to pay attention to what's being said.
The fact that SEN has an option to upload an article from an article
directory is a great feature to save time — why write your own content?..
James, your blog has become one of my favorites. I am reading it even on my mobile ! But I have become a little bit confused after reading your praise about Magic Submitter.
After reading your post about atomic Article bomb, I was almost decided on opting for UAW. However, your recent recommendation of Magic Submitter has made me rethink on my option. As the price tags of both service are almost same, can you please write a comparative analysis of UAW and MS covering all the pros and cons of these services?
Thomas -
Music to my ears, and a great idea, actually – I have some preliminary
thoughts to share but will flesh it out in a post.
Thanks for the kudos, and your check is in the mail. (do not wait for
it, but just pretend with me)
Great idea of a post, and will do that soon. I do want to say,
though, that I don't think I'll get rid of either – if I had to, I'd
get rid of UAW and keep ArticleRanks just for the price difference,
but UAW vs. ArticleRanks…hmmm…AR is not as developed yet, not as
many options (such as including a video/image, or posting to article
directories in addition to members' blogs).
So, if you put a rubber band gun to me, and forced me to pick between
UAW and MS, I'd go for MS (you can always pause a UAW subscription
anyway and pick it up later, re-subscribe using the same login -
pausing UAW would be done from PayPal's side of things).
The reason is versatility (can't linkwheel or use forum profiles, or
RSS or Press Releases or Social bookmarks with UAW). But I'll be
darned if I'm giving up UAW!
You can't make me! no!….alright. It's late and I'm getting dumber
by the second. I'll have to re-convene after getting my thoughts in
order – that's a good question!
James,
I see Alex is your new favorite. Whatever.
Mike! My man – good to see you on my blog – what a weird flip of circumstances. What, having a steady passive income, you got bored? lol
Yup. James also got me interested so ditto Michelle's response.
There's a seriously cheap trial deal that is in the works. I sorta spilled
the beans on it before it was fully in place, but thankfully Alexander
Krulik is on board with it.
That post is in my “save as drafts” folder, will publish it with the
discount when it's *actually* approved. (so stay tuned – it's a great
deal!)
I use SENuke regularly. I don't understand what you mean about plagarism. Exactly which module scrapes content?
Ah – I see the part you're talking about – that you can download a seed article from EzineArticles. It's in the article module. Since I write my own articles I never noticed it before.
I can understand knocking it because it has that feature. I don't think it's a selling point. Most good SEO'ers have the money to invest in article writing. I certainly am holding onto SENuke with an iron grip. I love it.
You are banned.
(just kidding, Tia)
I've seen the vids – it obviously works, and is a fine program – but for
reasons outlined, I'm stuck on MS (the user-control, ease of use, ability to
add my own sites so I'm not hitting the spam hot spots of 1,000+ other
users, and the nearly $1k a year profit I get to keep – well, I'm sold!).
No worries – I'm sure we'll still be on speaking terms. Just don't ask to
borrow $720. =D
Oh, btw – it's in the video module as well (scraping) – correct me if I'm
wrong, though.
Dude this is nothing more then a pitch to get people to click on your affiliate link. I do believe SEN is too expensive but I seen tons of people and top seo people swear by it. Not only was your review childish, but it was nothing more then a pitch…
MS looks very good, but i doubt it is as powerful as SEN. The main reason I will be buying MS is so I can add my own sites to customize if for me. (I don’t use SEN by the way)
Don’t go bashing other peoples product, just for the sake of making a commission, that is scandalous…
I understand you probably wont post this, but at least you have read it.
I can respect your opinion – I’d ask for the same.
I’ve tried SENuke. Hated it. Unintuitive to say the least. Been using MS in trial mode for this month and LOVE IT. So easy to use and with the video training (and having Alex on Skype) it is so simple. The scheduler ROCKS as does the ability to quickly create new profiles and accounts and then to rotate proxies. I’m getting to grips with Designer slowly, but so far everything else is awesome. I’ll be keeping this one.
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Thanks for weighing in, Erik – I don’t think anything of this sort really compares (yet). Of course, that’s subject to change – but it remains one of the best link wheel tools out there.
I’m curious as to whether you use proxies? I did notice you have an ad for HideMyAss, and wanted to ask which product of there is the one to get with MS. I’m assuming the VPN?
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The VPN is ideal – you can switch the proxy between runs, so if you run through the article blast, then to switch to blogs in MS, switch the IP, etc.
Or you can use their list of proxies for $25 for life – they email fresh proxies to you every day.
Since I have a few family emergencies going on (at any give time it seems) I’ve been holding off and getting by with free proxies scraped using a fresh proxy scraper Ubot:
http://demonfanclub.com/free-seo-tools/
Run it through BMD to check anonymity every so often, then run it through Scrapebox to check latency, then use that list.
If you don’t have those tools, then you can build a list from HMA if you don’t want to spend the $11 for a month (or $80 or so a year, there are other plans for their VPN).
Then there’s the $25 option to get the proxies emailed to you every day – but a VPN or private proxies are your best bet for the most stable use.
I watched the proxy training and am a bit confused: do you HAVE to have the “use proxy server” box checked and filled out as well as the “rotate proxies” box checked? Obviously the rotate one should be enabled if you have a list, but the training wasn’t clear as to if you need the “use proxy server” box checked…
You don’t need to use proxies, actually – I had no trouble without them. Proxies are definitely a must with posting to forum profiles, like ELGG, etc.
But for article submission, videos…I didn’t have a problem. Also, if you use the VPN then it would also be pretty easy, just one proxy at a time.
But you had the general idea and answered yourself. :)
If you just had one proxy, nothing to rotate.
Actually, most every seo software out there scrapes content. Every article rewriter, most all in one programs, etc.. But i understand you point since you are a writer. But SEN is just a tiny part of the scraping issue.
I use SENuke and have seen some results. There is definitely a learning curve.
I mainly want to use MS for its simplicity (at least it appears to be) and adding your own sites. The adding your own sites is earth shattering. Absolutely invaluable.
Derrick -
Thanks for dropping by. You’re entirely correct, of course. I had written this review immediately following watching a video/reading at Areeb’s (is that how you spell it?) blog at the SENuke site.
I’ll tell you up front that MS is not as fast as SENuke from reports I’ve heard – I only know of SENuke because I always do competitive analysis. I think $127 or whatever it costs is exorbitant and unnecessary, but that’s all relative to one’s income of course.
Scraping content is a business model I don’t follow, when I watched the video and read the blog/instructions at SENuke (from Areeb) – the whole tenor of the post/video was making that aspect come off like no big thing.
Honestly, I respect copyrights – but that does put me in a minority online. I don’t scrape because I find writing incredibly easy and I enjoy it – and I’m a bit of a control freak. I don’t like 90% of what would be scraped anyway – and find better results with a custom article leading to my site.
Regardless of your business method or chosen tools, since writing this post I’ve grown a much thicker skin to all that (though I still don’t do it or recommend it). I think you’ll enjoy MS, try it for the $4.95 trial and see.
Looking forward to trying it. Even if its relatively fast, and can do 3 threads that’s good enough. I just want my stuff to stick and for the login and post function to work.
I would be interested in knowing your prices and what you would charge to do spinning as well.
I like my writers to know how to spin html and sentences in order to make the copy ultra unique. I shoot for 50% + uniqueness.
Thanks for the offer, I’m getting out of the spinning gig (I’m pretty pricey).
I spin to 80-100% myself, I’m picky that way. But to get me to do the work is another issue just because of price (I’ve worked myself to the bone too long in this gig, and spinning is one of the lowest paying).
You might give the guys at My Article Express a try, they’ve integrated with UAW and they’re pretty awesome at what they do – but I haven’t outsourced my spinning to anyone else to really tell you one way or another.
I spin like SENuke videos claim you should: hidden bullet lists, optional paragraphs, optional headers…
The only trouble with doing that with AMR, though: you’re not sure which directories allow HTML and which don’t (unless you’ve parsed your list into groups that way, but that’s a serious chore).
But thanks again for the offer, Derrick. I’m at the point now where I don’t need to do freelancing. :)
BTW,
the best spinner, art marketing robot, and hide my ass are great products. you can choose your own freakin ip address with hide my ass. Awesome for desktop apps.
Yeah, thanks for the kudos – I have a “sucky software” post coming up later this month about the junk I bought and wish I hadn’t. Those aren’t on the list. :)
HideMyAss is pretty sweet, too – especially if you want to check Google listings in, say, the UK but you’re in the US – just use a UK proxy.
It’s also great for other tools that don’t have proxy support, like AMR and BMD, and not sure if it helps with Micro Niche Finder but I use it when I run that as well (which is few and far between now with Market Samurai).
Yep, agree with this post completely. I have been using MS for just over 7 months now and I got to say, it’s a dream!…
I was initially stuck on the same 7 months back, deciding between the 2, but thanks to this post, I made my decision to go with MS (after having trialed SENuke) and given up due to the bad user interface, etc.
MS wins hands down simply down to the “user-friendly interface”.
So if your stuck with the same decision that I was 7 months back, GO WITH MS! you won’t regret it! oh and I almost forgot to mention, Alex Krulik (The MS Developer) is king when it comes to support, he actually responds via Skype to all messages.
Leo – good to hear! I’m just now tempted enough to try out SENukeX…will see if it delivers. Can’t blame me for trying it… :/
The main reason is it promises better speed, to be server-based, and to run on autopilot. IF it does as it reportedly will, then I’ll have to consider getting it…but honestly I love the ability to add your own targets to Magic Submitter.
The only thing that comes close is SENuke…I can tell you for a fact the submission engine wasn’t any better in the old SENuke than Magic, as far as speed and success rate went – but there were some things I found in SENuke that I liked:
- The tool adds your RSS feeds, etc. to the next “module” so it made link wheeling easy (now Magic allows that, too)…
- The easy layout, I found it more intuitive (but not worth $60 more a month)…
- The indexing tool is now a network of indexing blogs in SENuke – that part is pretty cool (sort of like Backlinks Energizer)…
As it stands, SENuke is a waste of $60/mo when you can get Magic Submitter and get more value – BUT I’m now going to try out SENukeX and see if it’s as good as it claims – then I’ll have to re-investigate the value of the tool.
Just to be fair about it.
Hi James!
By all means, try it out, it’s the best way to compare the two.
As you stated, Majic Submitter has a great Link Manager Utility which adds all the Submitted Item URLS in one place and the you can easily manage these URLS to create Bookmark items and RSS Items with ease.
Yes, Majic Submitter might not look that cool, however, combined with the use of James Jones’ Micro Niche Finder Keyword Tool, it is very good! Probably the best backlink and content syndication tool out there, plus I have just spoken with Alex via Skype and he has just update the WordPress Blogs list to 150 in total which should serve 90-100% submission and account creation percentages as they are going to be uodated frequently (2 times a week) to ensure these submission rates stand,
This is my opinion, however, give it a try and keep me posted on what you think of SENuke X.
Speak soon buddy!
Best,
Leo
I have to agree about Alex – he’s a friend at this point of mine, a real solid businessman.
If SENukeX didn’t offer full automation (remains to be seen of course) then I wouldn’t really bother.
But I can vouch 100% for Magic – I hit #1 in Google using it for the first time ( I mean: it was the first #1 spot I took ) and I love the thing.
Will keep you posted on SENukeX. Thanks for the good word about Magic, I’m still a huge fan, for sure.
Hi James,
Yes, been looking at SENuke X also now that you have been speaking so much about it…
It looks good, I got to say, however the features that have been added have been with MS for time now.
However, I like the new SENuke feature where any broken service will be reported immediately and have their team working on repair instantly. This could see great submissions…
hmmm, got me thinking to try it out also. I hear it will be moving up to $147/month after launch period…
Let’s see how it goes.
Speak to you soon! :)
Leo
Leo – yeah – like the scheduling feature?
If you have Magic, I wouldn’t be too excited at SENukeX [unless] it can fully automate things, which is what I hope anyway.
If it can, then I’m all for it. But the $127 a month is the launch price, then a one-time price (undisclosed as of yet)…later moving to the $147 a month like EVO2BruteForce.
I’m keeping my fingers crossed! :)
James,
Tried SENuke X… No good, still very poor in functionality as you can’t even do a simple copy and paste in the resource box for the wizard campaign creation.
sticking to MS.
Speak soon.
Best,
Leo
Also, there is other things that are more important than copy and paste that are flawed – see link below for more info.
http://www.imnicamail.com/v4/tl.php?p=fh1/p76/rs/vh/2cs/rs//http%3A%2F%2Fbacklinksuniversity.com%2Freviews%2Fsenukex-and-why-you-should-avoid-it%2F%20