You all know that I love the Amazonian Profit Plan and think it’s the next best thing to a rat trap when you’re living in a rat-infested cheese hole – I am now launching Commission Junction Profit Plan. OK, not really – I’m a far cry from any sort of product launch, if ever.
Since Commission Junction continues to make me a happy camper in internet marketing, and everyone I know of that admits to being a CJ affiliate says, “I can’t figure it out” or that they can’t make money – I’m living and breathing proof that you’re leaving money on the table.
My wife, by the way, is living proof that the Amazonian Profit Plan plain works – she and I are both ramping up our efforts in Amazon and she beats me in conversions so far, but we target two different price ranges. I still (barely) beat her in brass tacks dollar amounts…barely.
Don’t read this post as a bail-out on Amazonian Profit Plan, I’m writing it for anyone who’s frustrated in their lack of success with CJ, which I think is woefully misused and misunderstood by most.
This is now a series of posts, find the remaining parts here:
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Commission Junction rocks. You just need to know what to look for, and there are three main methods I use to find what sells. Of course, unlike the Amazon market place, you can’t see which products are bestsellers or which products have the most reviews.
It’s vastly different than the simplicity of Amazon. What I suggest is that if you have a website up and want to add some other products to your mix, then check out CJ and just look under the “Get Links” section. Then go through the categories – and it’s fairly simple from there.
Unlike other affiliate programs, you need to apply to every vendor you want to market for. This turns a lot of people off – but all it did for me was make me try harder. Stubbornness pays. :)
To get started, you might have to apply to a dozen or more programs before getting accepted. Again, this might turn off some – and that’s good! Less competition.
What I’ve never really told anyone – to my shoddy recollection – is that I had to apply to about a dozen places in CJ before finding an advertiser that was in my niche who was as hungry for sales as I was.
Don’t give up. You just need to find the right advertisers. More than that, you need to try to find what sells…
My 3 main methods to find what sells in Commission junction
I mentioned there are three ways I use – disclaimer: it ain’t rocket science. I realize that, but my blog is meant for newbies as well as more advanced folks. Hopefully what I’m about to say opens some eyes – or I’ll die in infamy.
I’ll take my chances.
- Go For New Advertisers
- Check Their Terms: Cookies, Performance Incentives and Finally: Landing Pages
- If They Ain’t New: Look at Their 3-Month and 7-Day Sales Track
You don’t want to get too deep at this point, which is why this is just “part one” – in part two I’ll go over what to do when you get in to the programs you choose, with market research and content planning.
For now, you just want to see who you’ll bother with, and who will make the most sense to chase down.
Go For New Advertisers
This is the best bet for a number of reasons. First – these guys are as hungry to make money as you are, relatively speaking. [Unlike most of you reading this, they've probably already made millions - but they want to expand and are new to the CJ market place is what I mean.]
These are the least likely to deny your application to join their program. They are also the least likely to have competing affiliates. They’re new, after all. :)
Of course, you’ll find a few that belong to CJ and to Pepperjam, or to Amazon and a host of other programs as well – don’t sweat it. You’ll still have less competition in terms of choosing a CJ affiliate program if they’re new – and they’ll be eager to get you going.
I gave away the next point a bit in pointing out the performance incentives on the new advertisers – you’d be remiss to pass up that golden goose egg…
Once you have a look-see at these guys, you need to double check a couple more points.
Check Their Terms: Cookies, Performance Incentives and Finally: Landing Pages
You have an advertiser – now open them up and see if they’re worth bothering with. You don’t have to have all these bells and whistles – sometimes the plainest horse rides the fastest.
But it’s a beautiful thing to read the words, “Performance Incentive” – it gives me chills.
Sometimes, my wife and kids will stop me in my tracks just by whispering, “performance incentive.” No matter what mood I’m in at the time (like I get into moods!)…that one melts me like butta.
My main criteria for a new advertiser:
- Cookie length – the longer, the better.
- Performance Incentive – not necessary, but definite plus.
- Evergreen niche – like finances, education, romance, health, beauty, insurance, luxury.
- Landing Page Quality and Links
OK, “luxury” may not sound evergreen – but it is. Using luxury items is a good mix, and man those checks can add up quickly!
I go for evergreen niches because I don’t like volatility in my income. I have 8 kids. Go figure. I’m careful.
Cookies are a funny thing – your sales can snowball. So in November when I cleared over $2500 from Commission Junction, I’m not sure when those original clicks came through.
I will tell you that I swing a big bat – I go for pricey items.
I do that with Amazon as well (which is why my $79 commission jumped to $235 on Amazon in a day – it’s all in what you sell and how much you want to make, and how fast). I also do that with Plimus and frankly, just about anyplace.
You will sell less items this way – and it’s just the way I choose to operate at the moment – but it pays quicker. That’s not really part of the “Commission Junction Profit Plan” – just telling you how the cookie crumbled.
If your cookie length on Amazon is 90 days tops (if you can convince your visitors to put their items in their shopping cart), so far on CJ I’ve found 6 months to be more common in the hungry advertisers. The longer the cookie, the “Mo’ Money, Mo’ Money, Mo’ Money” you gonna make.
[Warning: this is NOT a politically correct video. I don't care, though - because the Wayans Bro's were mah peeps.]
Just a quick note on Performance Incentives – you might not think you can hit the PI. BTW, I mean “Performance Incentive” and not “Philippine Islands” where my mom’s from.
You might take months to do so. It will take a while to get your traffic, rankings and content in place before you hit all 8 cylinders – but believe me, you can hit those bad boys.
My PI’s in one program are at the $20k a month level of gross sales for the top tier. Never thought I’d do it. I hit it 2 of the last 3 months. Still can’t believe it myself.
Those checks are in the tune of $600+ for me – uh, yeah. Go figure. I look for PI’s.
I also look at their payment terms, like the percentage of the commission or CPA (you’ll find a number of Pay Per Call or Pay Per Lead advertisers in CJ). Some are flat rate, others are giving incentives for certain actions – which informs you how you instruct your readers.
Of course you want to hit the higher paying items, rather than the one dollar leads if you can. If it would be more money to advertise a higher paying product, then organize your review and content that way.
“Landing Page Quality and Links” – I check out the landing page of the links they provide. You can do this by clicking on an advertiser and you’ll see a box open up with their “Banner, Text, Discount, Hot Product” etc. links – just check them out.
Follow the links to the landing pages by selecting “Destination Page” once you open up a link type – and you need to put on your thinking cap. This is subjective unless you’ve been in web design and have split tested campaigns or whatever – but look at the page through the eyes of a consumer.
What do you do? Bounce? Does it look legit or scammy? I’ve found a few duds that I wanted to laugh at – and a number of lunkheads sporting crummy web design and horrendous quality of products…how do I know their product quality?
I research. It seems like overkill, and I only do it when my BS meter explodes and the rest is simply a Google News search, Insights for search and checking our “Discussions” in the Google sidebar under “More Search Options”.
Tracey Edwards wrote this Google Products post to find some products to promote as well – you can easily do some research that way to find out if your product is a seller or waste of time.
I only bother with this time to time – when I think something’s too good to be true. By the way – I always check the landing pages.
I almost always check out Google News for the advertiser as well, if nothing shows up in Insights for search in Google – these will tell me if an advertiser has a trend up or down (if any), or if there is any news (good or bad).
If a bad reputation has soiled the advertiser, I don’t bother. I’m not interested in convincing the country, if not the planet, that “XYZ Manufacturing” is trustworthy all of a sudden – I’m in this for the money, not for running some Public Relations campaign.
If They Ain’t New: Look at Their 3-Month and 7-Day Sales Track
Open up the advertisers that appeal to you – then check their stats. This doesn’t apply to new advertisers because they have no track record in most cases – unless you recognize their brand. Regardless, check out the established affiliate programs on CJ.
Here’s a screen shot – and you find these guys in the menu bar at the top of CJ’s home page.
Get Links > Advertiser List OR Get Links > General Categories
Then check the 3 month and 7 day sales records, and this is done both at the “top level” which shows the aggregate of all the sales in CJ for that program – as well as the specific links that did it once you open up an advertiser. This is CRITICAL for me when I choose which banner or text links to use.
If you go with a new advertiser, the downside is that you won’t know. It’s a crap shoot – but roll the dice, already! Dealing with new advertisers means you will be cutting teeth. Play with it and test it out.
For established advertisers, though – you want to drill down and check out their individual links and use those that have a proven track record. It works like nobody’s business.
What Now?
So you have your products or affiliate programs you want to promote – now what? You take the plunge and apply. This is the part where I think people jump the gun – because they apply without a website, and with no proven record of success.
Unless you’ve sold well for another program in the niche – or just in general in CJ – you’re a nobody, a green horn. There’s no incentive for the advertiser to say, “Yes, we want you on our team.” You have to have something to show.
Before you apply – you should have a website that’s ranking or selling a similar themed product. This is critical if you expect to get in – but in the meantime, there’s Amazon as you rank a site for the terms.
This is another reason a number of people don’t bother – but I’m telling you: bother with it. You really want a piece of this mince meat pie. The cookie length, variety of advertisers, and Performance Incentives = Mo’ Money, Mo’ Money, and Mo’ Money.
After you have a website or otherwise a proven track record – you apply – and then sit on your can.
Yeah, not quite – but it’s not hard: you apply, then send an immediate email to the affiliate manager that you’re the next best thing to real Californian cheese. It doesn’t take much – just show a genuine interest.
If your site is in the middle of a Google dance, tell them you’re in a massive backlinking campaign because you just downloaded Michelle’s How I Backlink report and you mean business.
Tell them your SEO or PPC battle plan in brief and why they need you on their team – and I’m just talking 2-3 short paragraphs tops. Is it worth it? I’ll tell you in a few days with my January earnings post. ;)
Affiliate managers are amazing people to work with, by the way – the seasoned ones are great for ideas, or you can share with them your ideas, ask them for a creative banner that you think would do well – whatever it is. Starting off on the right foot by showing just a little bit of hustle will get you in the door more often than not.
What If You Use Amazonian Profit Plan or Profitzon?
There are a number of ebooks as well as Dave’s monumental How to Make Money with Amazon post – an incredible read, that – that tell you to focus on Amazon. If you have a site on Amazon as a primary affiliate opportunity, focus on Amazon.
I mix my sites currently for two reasons:
1) I started with CJ and got into Amazon later – and now I’m hitting my performance incentives for CJ. In January, I received a $700+ incentive check. I’ll be getting more like it in the ensuing months. I’d be the village idiot not to stick with what’s been working.
2) I only choose programs on CJ that out-match Amazon in terms of cookie length, incentives and exclusivity. If I find products that can be found for less on Amazon, I’ll plug the Amazon product instead – because I figure my visitors will do the same anyway.
It’s up to you if you want to mix your affiliate programs on your site – I’d really look for those products that are not currently sold on Amazon and would keep them separate (at least on the review pages themselves: don’t send the visitor to both on the same page).
Bottom line is that if a visitor finds the product on Amazon for $50-100 cheaper than what I’m selling it for – I’m more than likely not going to make that sale unless the CJ advertiser has a coupon.
Always look for discount/coupon links – and TELL your visitors that the price with your exclusive coupon is cheaper than the price at Amazon [only if it's true!].
Of course, Amazon can lower their prices and eventually will price you out in more cases than not – that’s OK. Then you just switch to the Amazon link. “Simples” as Dave would say.
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Awesome, Awesome post James! this is one of the best CJ tutorials that I’ve ever seen. No wait, it is THE best tute on CJ I’ve ever seen. Fantastic stuff.
Had to stop by and bask in your awesome post :)
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Tracey -
You’re too kind, and thanks for the kind email. (It wasn’t necessary, not by a long stretch – but I did take your advice.)
Danka Shane. Whoever he is.
Wow, this is a really useful post. I imagine I’ll be bookmarking it and returning to it again and again. Forget that, I’m just going to print it out. (I know that sounds like a scrapebox comment, BTW! But really. It’s a great post!).
I’ve completely failed at CJ to date, but reading your post, I can see why. I’m really approaching it completely the wrong way. It’s really a different process than what I do with ClickBank or any other network to date.
Incentives – those would be nice. Long lasting cookies, those would be nice too. Little competition for brand new offerings. Very nice. I do occasionally take a risk with newer merchants on ClickBank too, but as you mention, it’s risky.
Some questions:
- I’m wondering if you have ever had any problem with the newer merchants paying you your PI’s or even just straight commissions? The reason I ask is that some people complain this is a problem with networks like e-junkie and plimus, although I haven’t experienced this yet.
- Do you do anything to test how these sites convert once you have decided on a product?
- If a merchant declines you, do you just move on – or do you try contacting them directly (can you even do this). The whole apply to the merchant thing I must admit is kind of a turn off for me, but I can see how this could really narrow down the competition and be quite lucrative if done right!
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Hey, M!
Gotta be quick here because my wife’s coming back from CA tonight and her flight was pushed up (I lost an hour!). Blog. Priorities. :)
Haven’t had an issue yet with merchants, but there is some protection knowing they’re on CJ – but that may/may not mean anything (er…I should just leave it at: “No, haven’t had a problem yet, ha!). My commissions come according to the merchant’s individual agreements – not sure if CJ has a rule of minimums, etc – but usually incentives get paid 60 days later, straight commissions get paid 30 days for those I’m with.
But, not sure if there are exceptions to the rule.
As for conversion tracking – not sure if Google’s website auditor or conversion tracking in GA would do the trick, but I’m so geeky all I do is rank the site and track the CTR vs. conversions using CJ’s own tracking. If it seems like I’m getting tons of clicks but no conversions, then I re-check my template (I sold on XFactor’s old template if you can imagine – I’ve updated to a better template and wow, that’s when I broke into four digits!), sales copy, and anything else on my end.
Simple stuff – making sure the call to action is above the fold, to ask for the sale a number of times in a natural way, have in-context links and banners – keep the best ads above the fold…
Anyway – if I know I’ve done all that, then I scrutinize my vendor’s page again – and I’ve found some that just didn’t work.
Pepperjam, for example – have had NO luck with them so far. At least, the merchants in my main niches. They take too long to load on the click, and the landing pages were HORRID – I prefer a simple lander, with a product link – but I do mix up category links in there, too.
Re: being declined: OH YEAH I go back. If it’s worth it – for example, if the product brand gets a lot of traffic, or doesn’t sell on Amazon, etc. The 3 merchants I really wanted in the beginning saw what I was up to after a while, then 2 later approached me after seeing some sales I guess.
I asked the third and got them to accept me. It happened after sales / rankings / new template – I guess I could have just asked what they wanted before applying, but it’s all common sense.
And YES – less competition in CJ, I find! Except of course for major name brands, then they’re all over. Thanks for the kind words!
Wow, great post. This has to be one of the better CJ intros I’ve read. I think I went without a sale my first 4 months on CJ, but now I get a nice check every month.
And to all the newbs who read this…believe the stuff about the higher priced products. The commissions add up much faster than selling dozens of low priced items. If you are going to work hard for the sale you might as well make more $$$ per sale!
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Thanks, UD – and I’m one of those, too – unemployed dad. Loving it! Thanks for stopping by.
Well you are the only one online. I find who show some success with commission junction. I will surely look in Ck thing. But first i am targeting on adsense/amazon than ebay than CJ. I will try to learn the ways profits from CPA.
Rahul –
More power to you. I know the gurus making thousands with AdSense also have more websites than the Library of Congress has books. At some point I’d like to stop writing websites and write the books I’ve been dreaming of doing instead – it seems with most PPC models, you make chump change on your websites…so the thinking is usually, “If one website makes $30 a month, how many more like it do you need to make a decent income?”
Well, 100 more at least…What I’m talking about is leveraging one web page, one review – with the right product and rankings, you can make hundreds to a few thousand off it. One site. One page.
I’m not saying you should do one page a site, I’m just saying the rewards for selling Amazon/CJ etc. are so much more valuable and have a higher ROI than PPC. PPC ads are great until you begin optimizing for PPC…
Then your website begins to look nasty, plain, and MFA-ish. The reason they look like MFA’s is because they ARE MFA’s, and they work like crazy for increasing your CTR…but then, you’ve just become a target for being de-commissioned from the very network that was formerly paying your checks…
The whole model stinks. Then again, I’m not John XFactor (John Robinson) or Lisa Parmley (I don’t know what Lisa’s template is, if there is one – I just know she’s killing it online with AdSense and affiliate marketing). Those would be two people I’d look to for AdSense advice (then there’s Cary Bergman as well, as I understand it, he’s pretty solid on AdSense, and of course Grizz – but not sure that he’s even talking about AdSense these days).
The catch-22 with AdSense is that there are ways to optimize for the higher Click Thru Rates – but then you cross a line and someone (competition) reports your site as MFA…then you’re sunk. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t – I’m not chasing AdSense for that reason at the moment.
Great stuff James, this is an excellent and very thorough guide.
A lot of peeps seem to look down on CJ but I love them. If you can find the right products then they are great to work with.
Never had a missed payment in 2 years.
I just wish their earnings reports were a bit less odd date wise.
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Yeah, I don’t like the earnings reports as far as date restrictions (120 days). All the more reason for saving the quarterlies – which I didn’t do very well at last year.
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WOW!!
First, thank you for opening my eyes to CJ. You never hear the ‘gurus’ talk about it and i am sure its because its ‘harder’ to convince people to stick with a model that, may look tough at first, will pay out hugely in the end.
They will rather sell ‘Adsense Billions in one week’-type products to people out there.
Second, the video CRACKED me up. The Wayans brothers are incredibly talented. Sadly though, the video also reflects the state of the Internet marketing industry.
Thanks for ‘schooling’ me.
Cheers.
Yeah, for the record: I’m no guru nor guru wanna be, just a regular fella. And AdSense sells because it is really easy – but truthfully, the cookies/commissions in CJ are some of the best for the products you find.
Thanks for the good word, best of luck to you.
Hey James,
CJ is great and I have made about 5K this month from them alone. One thing I commonly do is once you have brought a lot of sales send your affiliate manager an email asking for mo money (not in those words though). 9 times out of 10 they will do it. In fact, what a lot have done for my web hosting niche is taken me to their in house affiliate program. They pay double for these since they don’t have to pay out CJ.
Just basically state that you have brought them 10 sales last month or something and was interested on seeing what you could do to improve your site and bring them more sales.
For extra brownie points ask them to retweet a couple post you made on them and share on their social media profiles, as well.
Garen
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Solid tip, Garen, and yet to try that – but negotiations are where it’s at. I’m not quite operating at your level, but give me a few months and I plan to be. :)
I’m telling you, it’s tons more rewarding to have at least one big earner than it is to spread your efforts across a jillion non-earners. (A jillion being the average these days.)
I know where I’ll be getting my hosting info from, Garen! Keep rocking the sales, that’s plain inspiring to hear.
Yeah also when negotiating always shoot high. Keep in mind they are paying CJ 3500 a year so increases on your end aren’t that much of a strain. I don’t know how many times I get a request for a review and they want to pay me $150 or so a sale. They generally ask what Hostgator is paying me.
Been planning on setting up a couple more bigger niche sites so most of my earnings don’t just come from this too. That and I don’t have to pee my pants when there is an error and don’t draw income for a bit.
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Golden advice on negotiations – always coming in with some figures helps, too, even though they have all the figures there, it makes a stronger argument.
I’ll have to tell you how it went – I’m going to take your advice on it, though it’s not something that’s natural for me (I’m not Type A, I’m more of Type C – the opposite of a negotiator).
Great post, you are really going in depth with it. I guess I should give CJ another try instead just Amazon.
Thanks, Kristian – and I have no idea why I’ve missed your comment – sorry about that! Nice car, btw.
Followed the link on Dave’s Niche Domination post to your site. I keep thinking that I should give CJ a proper go, I’m pure Amazon at the moment. Your post has tipped me over the edge. A nice bit of 3.14159265 would be great.
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Hey, Lando – he’s incredibly gracious, Dave is – I saw that link and I’m currently knee deep in the next post. Thanks for dropping by, this is my baby (CJ, I mean).
Hey James
Back up a second. Even though this was super thorough, right off the bat you already lost me…
So you go find products, ANY products, in ANY niche, through the CJ panel, regardless of if you already have a site (let alone any personal interest) in that niche/topic?
Obviously I am asking myself – and you – the age old question about only entering markets that you are a part of / know something about / have personal interest in
Dont be afraid to scare me or surprise me with your answer – I just want to know how YOU do things and most importantly MAKE ‘DAT MONEY.
Jesse
Jesse –
I actually didn’t address having a website or no, I currently have bought a domain just for being more generalized, reviewing whatever comes to mind.
I don’t have general websites yet, right now they’re all niche sites – so for my first “winner” / website, it was an XFactor style site made for strictly AdSense.
I had a niche in mind – then felt I was leaving tons of money on the table (I was!) and decided to pursue selling these things. In my case, I had a site and then pursued it —
But the real kicker –
I didn’t know ANYTHING about this product, this niche – nothing. It made me a better writer – because I had to research the hell out of my posts.
So I did. :)
I don’t think it matters, but sure it makes sense if you’re already in a niche – going forward from that one site, though – and letting most of my XFactor sites go the wayside (they made ~$150-$300 a year on AdSense, I consider that a sick joke) – I’ve done it the other way around.
Find products – then build the site. But that’s a current experiment, mind you – and from what I’ve seen across the board, it works fine.
Just think of JC Penney – and I don’t mean after the scandal with Google – I mean: they sell just about everything (like – Amazon!)…
Or malls…
Why not a site with everything you want, neatly tied up in categories – like a supermarket or something?
We naturally shop that way in “real life” – we don’t want to drive all over town if we can help it…so why not a site that way? Amazon seems fine with that model.
Great post. I’m waiting a little longer before I monetize, but I’m getting started in locking down affiliates in Commission Junction and this post pretty much saved my life.
If you ever need anything, bro, I got you.
Money, women, power, thugs for muscle, restaurants locked down, nosebleed seats to an Enya concert.
Anything.
I’ve got your back.
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That’s the best comment in the history of the internet.
I’ll take thugs for muscle and some nosebleed seats to Enya. :)
Glad it could help, Peter.